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Microsoft's New Portal isn't Live in Opera

November 2, 2005

Microsoft released yesterday, for beta testing, their new alternative to the popular MSN portal, called Windows Live at Live.com.

They plan on moving many of the MSN services over to Live.com, in addition to adding new ones. There is also a rumor out there that Hotmail will be renamed and that it will eventually be part of Live.com.

When I first visited Live.com yesterday, all I saw was a simple Windows Live logo with an option to search the web with MSN search. It looked kind of odd, there wasn’t much content there. So I checked it out in Internet Explorer, and there you see a full page of content. A few people have emailed me about this as well.

If you visit Live.com with the Firefox browser, a message on the top of the page is displayed saying “Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient :-)”

There is no message for Opera users at this time. Of course many of you may remember the MSN-Opera quarrel of a few years ago. In 2001 MSN, apparently being felt threatened by Opera, intentionally gave Opera users broken pages of msn.com, thus making it appear to the casual Opera user that the problem was with the browser and not the site. Opera famously released a special version called the ‘Bork’ edition of Opera 7. The Bork edition behaved differently on one Web site: MSN. It transformed the MSN pages into the language of the famous Swedish Chef from the Muppet Show: Bork, Bork, Bork! (See screenshot here).

I hope we’ll see a change in heart towards Opera users by Microsoft. MSN is quite popular for many users, and it’s important that it work fine in Opera.

Live.com is dead in Opera.

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  1. Anonymous
    November 2, 2005 at 10:32 am

    It’s not working in Safari either.

  2. November 2, 2005 at 11:06 am

    Yes,I noticed it today afternoon 🙂
    Was gonna write about it,but you are fast 😛

    Also check out this post
    http://spaces.msn.com/members/MessengerSays/
    It is not only Hotmail even MSN Messenger is gonna be split up into two diff applications and the name for the one which would be similar in function to current msn messenger would be renamed Live messenger

  3. David
    November 2, 2005 at 12:04 pm

    There was a user.js script created at one point that made Start.com work with Opera, but they changed it again, so it partially works.
    I emailed the guys from Start once and they responded, but weren’t much help, i.e. were working on it, type of thing.
    It’s to bad, I’d probably use the page if it worked in Opera. I like it otherwise.
    I found this post on channel 9, http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=132381#132381 – look at item #4.

  4. November 2, 2005 at 12:09 pm

    It’s frustrating to still see so many compatibility issues today, since if they take the right approach to Firefox compatibility, they could get Opera (at least 9+) and Safari support for free. (Well, plus a little extra testing.) It all depends on whether they take a standards-based approach to the Firefox support, and whether they use functionality that isn’t in Opera or Safari yet. There’s been so much convergence in browser engines lately, you’d think all this browser-specific design would start falling by the wayside.

  5. November 2, 2005 at 3:52 pm

    It’s interesting, that I in IE can see the similar to Opera. By me only FireFox renders the page content. I say render, because I can see so, that Opera brings the content, too, but can’t render it. But neither IE.

  6. November 2, 2005 at 5:06 pm

    if the idea is an empty page……….. that’s all I see! With Opera, Firefox and with Konqueror………. all the same: empty page with a search bar! No text nothing. Anyway, it all convince me in my move to GNU/Linux, google tools and pages et all, ditching MS on the garbage belt!

  7. Anonymous
    November 2, 2005 at 5:26 pm

    Kelson: the MicroSoft web-engineering approach for these things still seems to be: develop using all the cool technologies supported by MSIE 6. Then add some code-paths to make it Mozilla compatible. Screw Opera.

    Not: develop using public standards, and then adapt to browser-quirks using browser-specific technologies.

  8. Anonymous
    November 2, 2005 at 6:42 pm

    “In 2001 MSN, apparently being felt threatened by Opera”

    What was the market share of Opera then? 0.2%? “threatened” LOL

  9. November 2, 2005 at 8:50 pm

    It’s so Microsoft. 😉

  10. November 2, 2005 at 10:56 pm

    What was the market share of Opera then? 0.2%? “threatened” LOL

    Anonymous above,

    That’s why I used the word ‘apparently’. Why else would MSN even show such regard for Opera at that time/

  11. November 3, 2005 at 1:57 am

    I smell another lawsuit (I hope!).

  12. Anonymous
    November 3, 2005 at 6:15 am

    0.2% thats almost threatning amaya or lynx

  13. Anonymous
    November 3, 2005 at 5:29 pm

    With Konqueror I see the same as with Opera.

    But still I don’t understand the stupids working for MS. Have they ever heard of W3C standards? Why do they always start coding html sites with:
    if(!super_cool_m$_shit_IE) display (shit_page);
    else display(content);

    ???

  14. November 3, 2005 at 9:29 pm

    To anonymous above,

    Please watch your language, lets keep this a family-friendly site.

    Thanks,
    Daniel

  15. November 6, 2005 at 8:55 am

    Sorry to be a bit off-topic on the thread, but since yours was the first match on my Google keywords, but has Blogger itself stopped working with Opera 8.5 Win XP in the last couple of days? Every time I press publish it just publishes an empty page, so I have to use Explorer instead…

  16. November 7, 2005 at 12:15 pm

    Seron,

    Opera 8.5 worked fine for me with Blogger. I’m using Opera 9 now, and the only part of Blogger that doesn’t work with Opera 9 is deleting comments.

  17. November 8, 2005 at 3:06 am

    Seron: I work for Opera and noticed your comment. Turns out a Blogger update met a bug in Opera, causing missing posts. We have good contacts over there so I have been discussing workarounds and hopefully it will be resolved soon.

    Back on topic, I wrote a bit about the live.com problems here:
    http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/show.dml/58453

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